Day 4: The Wire Options

[Josh]

All silent again.

Sorry again for the delays. Tomorrow will be done properly, I promise.

[Josh]

Two bits of clerical.

Firstly, Trilby meets the wrath if Mars on the way back from the tavern. He was human.

Secondly, it has been decided that this trend of deliberate non-wolfing is against the spirit of the game. It allows the wolves to keep a low profile and reduce the amount of evidence given to the human team, and as such is undesirable. Henceforth, any day upon which a wolfing order is not submitted, one of the wolves at random will be smote by the Gods. Harsh but fair!

[Hey Kidz]

Err I guess I'll stick one on Retracted - Lu for now. I'm still not satisfied with his activities and the explanations therewith so far. I'll look more closely tomorrow though.

[Carlisle Dave]

Thanks Josh.

[Clearasday]

Kidz, you do realise you could have voted Xyzia to save Kramer. Explain now. What you did was vastly unhelpful.

[Hey Kidz]

Why do I have to explain anything? Do you think I'm a wolf because of it?
I hadn't really counted the votes carefully, and I didn't feel there was a good reason to vote for XYZIA. I also wasn't at my computer when the last vote for Kramer was made. I'm not responsible for babysitting the rest of you.

[Girdag]

Kidz and Lu are wolves. I'm certain of it.

[Hey Kidz]

Yes that is the most likely conclusion isn't it.

[Clearasday]

Nice retraction from Lu there Kidz. Reason?

[Girdag]

CAD - Also, I told you so on the deliberate non-wolfing ¬_¬

[Hey Kidz]

To be honest, if the wolves aren't going to put any effort in, I'm not sure that I can be bothered any more.

[Clearasday]

Well that was clearly the dumbest elaborate plot ever and would have been had the seer not been lynched because our seerees failed. I'd really like to lynch Kidz for failing the humans so badly. I mean, he even wants to lynch Lu right now, who is quite clearly a human. So I can see why you don't want to put any effort in Kidz, when you put in effort, the seer dies.

Retracting from Dustbin because he voted Kramer and I did try to convince him not to, and to vote Xyzia (who nobody else will vote AGAIN, how strange) yet he refused to follow >_<

[Carlisle Dave]

Erm, why exactly is Lu clearly human?

[Clearasday]

Because the seer claimed to him on day 2 and didn't die until the end of day 4. Because Lu did the right thing in outing the reports. Because everyone wants Lu dead. Because Lu has maintained that Kidz is human like he should do.

Why is Lu a wolf C-Dave? Why does nobody look at you?

[Hey Kidz]

Retracted - Clearasday

[Carlisle Dave]

Why is Lu a wolf C-Dave? Why does nobody look at you?

I never said he was a wolf. I just don't think you can say that he's clearly human. As for why no-one looks at me, who can say.

[Dustbin13]

Dustbin because he voted Kramer and I did try to convince him not to, and to vote Xyzia (who nobody else will vote AGAIN, how strange) yet he refused to follow >_<

Enough other people voted for Kramer too, and you tried to convince them too. If people changed vote because someone told them to, this game would be ridiculous.
Lu is 100% human. Kramer PMed me to not vote for him, I assumed it wsa either a wolf trick or a lover/wolf trick. However, since he was the seer, Lu is definately untouchable.
However, the PM, mighty suspicious in itself, just said "dont vote for Lu, will explain later" but no explanation followed. My vote for Kramer, whilst regrettable in hindsight, was justified I feel

[XYZIA]

In my defence, wolf Kramer plays exactly like that. EXACTLY.
Unfortunately I forgot special role Kramer did too.

[Girdag]

Lu is 100% human. Kramer PMed me to not vote for him, I assumed it wsa either a wolf trick or a lover/wolf trick. However, since he was the seer, Lu is definately untouchable.

Except not, since he didn't get his own results.

Look, Lu/Kidz as wolves makes SENSE. Night one, they find out that Kidz got seered, but Lu was fortunate enough to get the seering. Then, on Day Two, he lets it slip that Kidz was seered human, resulting in him becoming a 'confirmed human', and the seer getting in touch with him. The wolves aren't killing for whatever reason. It's the sort of thing they might do, especially if they know who the seer is, they're in no hurry to off him, as Kidz basically now IS the HA. The seer seers, but whoever recieved the result will go to Kidz, as he's the human face of the alliance. The wolves then sit back and watch Kramer pile suspicion on himself and get lynched in Day 3, without intervening.

I mean, there's quite a few assumptions here. But I believe it explains the following:

1) Lu's late revelation of Kidz as human - took until 5pm the next day. Possibly indecisive human, also possibly wolves checking what they could do with the information.

2) Kidz not saving Kramer. He was around. Surely he could have intervened. The fact that he didn't = potential wolf.

3) Might explain Kidz's crazy play on Day One - an attempt to get seered?

Downsides: This is all a bit of a crazy conspiracy theory, albeit a rather plausible one.

Other suspects: XYZIA, INH, Jim, Dustbin (generally due to lack of much of substance, or lingering doubts).

[Dustbin13]

Also, I may be taking this personally, but is no one else confused by Jim trying to start a bandwagon on me last minute yesterday?

Me: We killed Owyn, turns out he was human.
Jim: HE KNOWS SOMETHING. KILL HIM, FOLLOW ME, ANGRY MOB, I HAVE ENOUGH STAKES AND THE FIRE TO GO AROUND.

[Clearasday]

Retracted from Dustbin in light of him giving me a decent defence.

[Inflammable Jim]

Also, I may be taking this personally, but is no one else confused by Jim trying to start a bandwagon on me last minute yesterday?

Me: We killed Owyn, turns out he was human.
Jim: HE KNOWS SOMETHING. KILL HIM, FOLLOW ME, ANGRY MOB, I HAVE ENOUGH STAKES AND THE FIRE TO GO AROUND.

Misrepresentation, though. I didn't think any of the existing votes had any merit in them, whereas you seemed to be hinting that the top two today were human with "I don't like it, seems like this is startlingly similar to last night, we have someone who a fair number agree on, Kramer suggests someone else, an innocent man dies. Mighty suspicious, isn't it..." which made me think you were a wolf being all wise before the event. Happens a lot!

Problem was there wasn't much time left so I had to try and inspire some kind of uprising quick if you were to die.

[Inflammable Jim]

And notice how it gained no support at all. Iiiiiiinteresting

[XYZIA]

It's not really though. You didn't make a particularly persuasive case, and everybody was very much tied up with their various causes.

[Girdag]

Yeah, it's not like you really took the time to make a persuasive case. Could have been doing exactly what you claim Dustbin was doing, tbh.