Day 2: Poisonus Maximus Options

[Hey Kidz]

Yeah, it doesn't clear him, and it doesn't explain why he would say what those results are considering there's no GA in the game.

[Clearasday]

Well, if I were him, I'd have first told Kidz in a message, because he's clearly now dying.

So you're clearly online yet just chose not to say anything until I pointed you out then Jim?

[Lu-Tze]

This doesn't clear him.

Well no, as I pointed out it's kind of impossible to clear myself. I'd much rather you kill Trilby or Trollslayer for the same reason you're killing me because hey guys get this, I'M HUMAN. Tomorrow will undoubtedly be the same undefendable situation, but with one of the above named in my position. I'd say that regardless of the results of the first two days of this hunt, you'll spend the third chasing down the remaining member of the trio, and then onto Owyn.

If I can manage to persuade you to kill the boring inactive Trilby in my stead for today, then maybe we can be friends and leave me to the end of this inevitable parade of suspects to the gallows, so I can be left alive to celebrate our hollow victory.

[Inflammable Jim]

Well, if I were him, I'd have first told Kidz in a message, because he's clearly now dying.

So you're clearly online yet just chose not to say anything until I pointed you out then Jim?

You think I wrote that in the one minute between your post and my reply? As I say I've only just got back from work and the FIRST THING I DID was check and post in the game.

[Hey Kidz]

Well, no. IF he's a wolf AND he has the seering results, he and the wolves would already know you are the seer target. By outing you as a human in-thread all he does is a)force the hand of the wolves and b)give the humans a tiny bit of information and as we all know, walls have ears.

I think him posting that was a human act and consequently will be voting to not get him killed.

EDIT: Clearasday firstly I'm at work from six in the morning until now and secondly I don't talk quite so much on the Tales because my will is not accepted as the righteous path of the Lord here quite as much as on Sekrit.

This is what he says (editing out the name of the seer):

It was like a 1/10 chance they'd kill the seer.
If I feed them you, it's a 0/10 chance.
Also, it had comedy value.

Of course, they might see through my feeble scheme to keep the seer alive, in which case we have an additional confirmed human rolling around.

Which I think is really weak. I don't really like being killed by crappy special roles stuff, especially on a "1/10 chance" and I think Lu is doing this in order to justify tonight's wolf kill rather than precipitate it.

Also, the seer was pretty stupid to tell Lu who he was ¬_¬

[Inflammable Jim]

As a wolf he could easily kill you without justification and would indeed know NOT to kill you if you are just a human.

[Hey Kidz]

I would venture to say that I'm of more value than a seer who would reveal his identity to an unconfirmed player as well ¬_¬

I'm not claiming to have a very strong case against Lu, and part of it is pettiness, but by revealing that he got the seering result he has strengthened his position a lot at the expense of me (a confirmed human). We all know that in this game, that even hinting at proximity to special roles can save you from lynching and I find it odd that Lu has done this by damaging the position of someone that he knew to be a human.

[Inflammable Jim]

The seer told Lu who he was?

...

[Hey Kidz]

Yes, but I tactfully left that out. Maybe I will reveal that information to save my bacon tonight since that is now considered fair game?

[Lu-Tze]

Kidz isn't a team player

Posting stuff that aids your own survival at the expense of making a special role more vulnerable is not a great decision.

Primarily, I got the notion to post it because Kramer gave me such ample opportunity to refute him by doing so. I figured "why not" because someone is going to die tonight anyway, and i'd much rather it be someone who I know isn't the Seer, because that guarantees us an extra day of seer results. Of course, they might choose not to take the bait, in which case we have a guaranteed human lying around. Seemed pretty win win to me.

[Inflammable Jim]

At the moment I want to kill Retracted was INH because he's doing his traditional say nothing and survive policy which means no leads in about four days time. Will change if he speaks/Lu or Kidz look to be in danger.

[Hey Kidz]

Kidz isn't a team player

Posting stuff that aids your own survival at the expense of making a special role more vulnerable is not a great decision.

Primarily, I got the notion to post it because Kramer gave me such ample opportunity to refute him by doing so.

Haha, is that supposed to be a joke?

So you're telling me that you'd rather guarantee that someone you know to be human be killed off early on because it negates the very small statistical possibility, for one night that the Seer will be randomly wolfed? I think we can be pretty sure that they'll take the bait.

As I said, I'm beginning to be more and more convinced that you're just trying to break up whatever seeds there might be of a human alliance in their infancy.

[XYZIA]

This is a ridiculous strategy, and I hate it.
I'm sticking with Girdag, because he's a wolf.

[Lu-Tze]

Haha, is that supposed to be a joke?

So you're telling me that you'd rather guarantee that someone you know to be human be killed off early on because it negates the very small statistical possibility, for one night that the Seer will be randomly wolfed? I think we can be pretty sure that they'll take the bait.

As I said, I'm beginning to be more and more convinced that you're just trying to break up whatever seeds there might be of a human alliance in their infancy.

Newsflash, the wolves know who all the humans are anyway, they were going to kill a human regardless.

I'm going to die LONG before anyone even considers you a possibility for lynching, along with everyone else who was inactive on Day One. In that time, there's not going to be a sudden bandwagon on you, despite your attempts to the contrary, and even if someone DID vote for you, just the fact I know you're a human doesn't mean shit, you got away with still being alive today on a coin toss.

[Insert Name Here]

I've been busy today too, I was out yesterday and forgot the day was ending then, and since have only had a bit of time to read through.

As regards the Lu/Kidz/Seer stuff:

If Lu is human, and telling the truth, then I suppose I can see his logic in revealing Kidz as human, but it doesn't seem like the natural thing to do.

If he's a wolf and he's lying, it makes much more sense, as he can avoid getting lynched then kill off Kidz to prove himself right.

What troubles me though is the seer getting in contact with Lu. How did the seer know that Lu got the results of the seering? Did Josh tell him? And why would the seer come out to Lu with no guarantee whatsoever that Lu is human?

As for other people I'm wary of Kramer, he seems to be in his calm mode, suggesting he's probably a wolf. I'm never sure what to think of CAD when he takes this belligerent "I am the voice of reason" approach. Any time someone tries to frame the discussion it prompts me to look at them with suspicion. Owyn's vote was pretty poor.

[Hey Kidz]

What troubles me though is the seer getting in contact with Lu. How did the seer know that Lu got the results of the seering? Did Josh tell him? And why would the seer come out to Lu with no guarantee whatsoever that Lu is human?

I think the seer revealed himself to Lu after Lu revealed he'd got the seering in the thread. As for the other part, he was just being dense.

[Hey Kidz]

A reason to lynch Lu that even he can't argue with is that it would mean there's no possibility of lynching the seer by accident tonight.

[Inflammable Jim]

If he's a wolf and he's lying, it makes much more sense, as he can avoid getting lynched then kill off Kidz to prove himself right.

Actually that's a way of looking at it that I hadn't considered. I'm trying to think if it's in the best interests of the seer to see in chains, - whoever reveals the result each day, which would negate that concern albeit ruin whatever gameplan they actually have.

[Carlisle Dave]

C-Dave my nemesis, talk.

No.

[Inflammable Jim]

Oh go on.

[Carlisle Dave]

As it's you Jim and you're being so abnormally quiet that for you to actually come out and post is a vague miracle in itself, I think I will.

Ignoring Clearasday for as long as possible, I can't quite believe that the seer would be so stupid so as to reveal himself to Lu, though I guess in this game nothing should surprise me, especially after that time Kramer tried to GA protect a dead wolf. Now it would seem that as it's the thing that has given us the most to talk about and therefore the most evidence we need to act upon it. I dislike with a passion the idea that we should vote for Lu because there was no wolf kill and he wasn't around yesterday and I think it's sad that that's what eventually forced him to reveal his hand about the seering.

Now, we need to assume that the seering result is true. If we do that and Lu is lynched and is human then we know that Kidz is human. If Lu turns out to be a wolf then we can't remove the possibility that Kidz is also a wolf. Lynching Kidz would tell us nothing if he turned out to be human, whilst if he turned out to be a wolf it would guarantee that Lu was one too. So ultimately we have a 50-50 chance of getting useful information either way if that's the only thing we base things on.

However, Kidz has promised to post a picture of himself in a funny hat if I vote for Lu so that's who I am voting for.

(Seriously, of the two I think Kidz is the most likely human, especially given his style of play this game.)

[Lu-Tze]

I'm 100% certain Kidz is human.
I don't condone lynching him in any way shape or form. Ever.
Lynch me, prove me right, seer one of Trilby and Trollslayer and then lets put this thing to bed.

[Hey Kidz]

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[Carlisle Dave]

Take a chill pill, mon!

[Insert Name Here]

I don't think I want to vote for Lu, as I want to see what happens for a bit longer. Voting for Kidz seems ludicrous.

Lu Tze 4 (Dustbin13, Kramer, Kidz, C-Dave)

Kramer 2 (Robert T, Owyn)

Xyzia 1 (Girdag)
C-Dave 1 (CAD)
Trilby 1 (Lu-Tze)
Girdag 1 (Xyzia)
INH 1 (Jim)

Vote to follow.