Day 3 - Macaroons
Posted 20 February 2011 - 10:21 PM
Day ems tomorrow at 9, possibly.
Posted 20 February 2011 - 10:49 PM
2 wolves remaining.
I think, considering he started the votes on Fat Zombie, INH is probably human. I'm going to vote for Xyzia. His pursuit of the Captain doesn't convince me, he stayed well out of the arguements about INH and FZ...I think he's trying to keep a low profile.
Other wolf imo is either Lu or Girdag.
Posted 20 February 2011 - 10:57 PM
There's something very very hollow about XY's pursuit of The Captain though. He seemed like he was hovering about vaguely hoping something might stick. XYZIA.
Posted 20 February 2011 - 11:06 PM
It's a little alarming thay you're so quick to agree with me.
Posted 20 February 2011 - 11:16 PM
Lu/Girdag is a difficult call, so I'd prefer to resolve XY/Captain for now - and XY feels the dodgier out of the two (although I'm CONVINCED The Captain is not "Brian from Essex").
Posted 20 February 2011 - 11:21 PM
Posted 20 February 2011 - 11:30 PM
I'm really suspicious of Retracted - Was Girdag now and i'm quite suprised i'm the first to mention this today. Apart from my other points against him on Day Two, after that he kept a vote on Kramer which he himself said didn't hold much water. He told us he'd explain it further but he never did. Chalk that up to being away all Sunday, but he still finds time to throw a vote on INH from his phone trying to tie him up with FZ a wolf. He did nothing when it was a tie but when I made it look certain that a wolf would get the chop he popped up to try and make it a tie again. I think that's pretty damning evidence.
Posted 21 February 2011 - 01:41 AM
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Posted 21 February 2011 - 01:29 PM
XZYIA - probably human - because he discounted Kidz (human) as suspect when he didn't need to (post #12 Day 2 http://www.thetales....p...t&p=256445)
I was hoping for much more
I did get a bit paranoid that maybe the people voting for Fat Zombie (Kramer and INH) were wolves as well and killed him to look human which is why Fat Zombie got so annoyed at the end of the day. Although Kramer did just seem annoyed that he'd been voted for.
Thinking about it, Zael only jumped onto Fat Zombie right at the end (8.45pm) which broke the tie. You wouldn't think a wolf would do that when there's a chance a human would die instead, but equally a wolf might do that to make themselves look human. Especially if more than one of the three were wolves!
Zeal actually seemed quite reasonable throughout the rest of the day though, so I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
This doesn't seem to help much, but at least I know who I'm not voting for now.
Posted 21 February 2011 - 01:42 PM
Kramers rush to save Kidz (allthough not overt) by picking up a Fat Zombie case could be see as an attempt to gain trustworthiness within the human camp by placing himself as a key figure. Bit suspicious maybe.
Posted 21 February 2011 - 03:21 PM
Day one: He tries to create a 50/50 slide between Kidz and Strudel. Demanding no other votes for any other person.
Both are human, and he knows, he's trying to prevent the lynch from sliding to any other player and possibly a wolf. It's safe for him where it is.
That's ludacrously suspicious.
Posted 21 February 2011 - 03:36 PM
I need to re-read Day Two, but I'm pretty busy at the moment, will try to grab a chance later today.
Posted 21 February 2011 - 03:50 PM
But what seems really suspicious is the post that The Captain quoted in defence of XYZIA - his defence of Kidz. That smells a bit too much like a tactic I've used far too often in the past as a wolf - get in there with a defence of a human against a weak attack that was never likely to lead to anything serious. Then you gain a bit of goodwill for defending them, as humans don't usually expect wolves to defend humans. Combined with the rest, I reckon XYZIA should be our prime target today.
Posted 21 February 2011 - 03:57 PM
EDIT: Apologies for the triple-post, btw, I'm having to grab free time when I can atm.
Posted 21 February 2011 - 04:11 PM
Now let's pretend for a second that I'm a wolf who knew FZ was a wolf. Play this in your mind a second and then ask yourself the following questions:
- would I, in a situation I was only in a 33% chance of dying with most of the day left to play, attract attention to myself and switch to a fellow only to vote for a wolf teammate who was not in any real danger?
- more to the point, why would FZ have bothered voting for me in the first place?
- finally, and here's the kicker, if I was a wolf, why not just put INH on 3? Or, even better, get a teammate - such as FZ, for example, to do that for me? INH is a strong player - do you think for a second he'd still be alive if I was a wolf?
There was no reason for me to do any of those things. And when I swtiched from The Captain to FZ, my chances of dying were exactly the same (33%) - I had no idea someone else would then come and put the nail in FZ's coffin. And Zael having done so has proved my intuition on him correct.
Is this just a basic retaliation vote XY? It seems a bit churlish to me to ignore the above events of day 2 and vote for someone based on a (quite reasonable) last-minute day 1 action.
Posted 21 February 2011 - 04:20 PM
The point is, this is you. You love this shit, you wouldn't want to vote for INH because that is boring. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
This exactly the sort of elaborate scheme that wolf Kramer would pull.
What's more, I didn't even question you on that. You've thought up this scheme because you know it makes you look really human. And thus feel that you need to bring it up, even when I wasn't even talking about it, and it's irrelivant.
Humans don't consider stuff like that, if you were human you probably wouldn't have realised that you did all that, and how it made you look human till you were questioned on the events.
The fact it's so fully realised in your brain is suspicious to me.
Posted 21 February 2011 - 04:28 PM
I'm not liking the way this day is spinning, so i'm going to make this pretty clear. Kramer is a wolf. I wish I could come up with some elaborate case to try to explain myself. I wish I could find something that you could try and defend against, and better you on the field of words. I wish I could have caught you in your own lies and lynched you for good reason, but it's just the plain old boring fact that you are too tempting a target. And once you know, it's hard to find supporting reasons why you suspect.
I wasn't really around at the weekend to follow stuff up, and I wanted to play it out a bit more, but it turns out it was fortunate to leave you alive as you ended up killing one of your own for me. Hopefully everyone else can band together to figure out the last wolf.
Posted 21 February 2011 - 04:37 PM
Yeah I accept that, but i've noticed a lot of veteran wolves sometimes go for the more obvious option because they'll come out with the defence that the action was too obvious for a smart wolf. Putting a vote on INH may be risky, but how risky is it in reality? I've seen a ton of games where a wolf has defended a blantantly wolfy action by the reponse of "would I actually do something so obvious as a wolf?"
That it in itself isn't enough to incriminate you though, but when you take that with the fact that you've been hopping from vote to vote since the game started with very little reasoning, sticking to a self-admitted weak Kramer vote offering us an explanation that never came, and the last minute INH vote was particularily odd. Why stick your neck out at all, why not just let FZ die? You couldn't be that sure INH was a wolf to justify a last minute vote like that.
I'd like to hear INH's thoughts on what happened last night, as well as something from people in the game who haven't said much.
Posted 21 February 2011 - 04:39 PM
So now two people have voted for Kramer based on hunches?